posted 2 years ago

DVLA Drivers Should Exchange Blue V5C Log Books For Red

Blue V5C Log Books Stolen

The Driver Vehicle Licensing Agency is encouraging motorists that have a blue-coloured V5C Log Book to exchange it for a red one. But why? In 2006, a significant number of blank, blue, certificates were stolen. Reference numbers range from BG8229501 to BG9999030 and BI2305501 to BI2800000. The concern is that a blank certificate – once in the hands of a criminal - could be used to make a stolen or cloned car look more legitimate. After all, a certificate contains a wide range of information such as its registration number, manufacturer, cylinder capacity, chassis number, fuel type, etc. The criminal could simply add whatever information suits. The Driver Vehicle Licensing Agency, therefore, replaced its blue certificate to minimise risk to the trade and buyers/sellers - so the red equivalent has been issued with new cars for some time. Furthermore, motorists with old cars have received the upgrade when applying for changes to the registration, such as a new address. However, there are still some that have the old-style blue certificate. That could alienate and alarm potential buyers. The Driver Vehicle Licensing Agency, after all, advises a buyer to reject a car with a blue certificate unless the owner upgrades it to red. This process is simple and free of charge.

Buying A Car: Checking a V5C Log Book

Now, some car buyers assume that a V5C Log Book is proof of ownership. It is not. It simply “shows who is responsible for registering and taxing the vehicle”. This is clearly explained on the red certificate. A buyer should, therefore, look for further proof that the seller is entitled to dispose of the vehicle – particularly if purchasing privately. Evidence could come via a receipt the owner received when obtaining the vehicle. This should include a name and address that can be cross-referenced with the supplier. The buyer might require seller's permission and cooperation to complete this step. It is also important to examine the V5C to ensure it is legitimate (even if it is red). Check the watermark, for example, and for signs of tampering.  Furthermore, ensure that every detail matches the car such as the vehicle identification number, engine number, registration number, etc. The buyer can also confirm via the internet what information the Driver Vehicle Licensing Agency holds on the vehicle. This includes the date of first registration, year of manufacturer, tax status and when its last V5C Log Book was issued. 

 

The problem is the log book states the legal *keeper* NOT the legal *owner*; they can be different and ownership can change without a change of keeper!

i was issued a red log book with details as to why it was sent etc a long time ago free of charge, if the dvla want all log books to be red then they should send each person on their database a free updated red log book.

I recently bought a car for my now driver daughter, and nowhere was there any mention of a red log book!!! Far from it; there was plenty of advice about checking carefully the detail on the log book, but not "check the number of the log book because a whole lot of them have been stolen between numbers 1234567890 and 234567890"!!!!

i agree with this comment I would like to see a picture of the current owner/responsible person on V5C in addition to the listing of previous owners. At point of change of ownership DVLA is notified and as the purchaser is likley to have a driving licence it is likely a photo is on DVLA's computer. If an old type of licence is held another way can be found. This will ensure when purchasing privately the seller is identified and if sold by a dealer check can be made against the persons passport by the dealer from whom the vehicle is obtained. but remember 75% of uk population is wee bee court this is because of those days everybody on scam also dvla not making any money

How about instead of regurgitating some press release or other you actually tell us how to get the new form as the only reference I can find to the Log Book involves paying £25

So how do we go about changing for a red one? How about they send one when we renew the tax disc. First I have heard about this, why don't they make this public? The onus is always on us to do anything needed, they need to pull their collective fingers out.

I would like to see a picture of the current owner/responsible person on V5C in addition to the listing of previous owners. At point of change of ownership DVLA is notified and as the purchaser is likley to have a driving licence it is likely a photo is on DVLA's computer. If an old type of licence is held another way can be found. This will ensure when purchasing privately the seller is identified and if sold by a dealer check can be made against the persons passport by the dealer from whom the vehicle is obtained.

This is new to me about red log books.I hear what you are saying though.But how many people out there have bought a car in the last 7 days and did not give the colour of the log book a second thought or even are you the genuine owner,and I want more proof of this.It's been the case of make sure the address is on the registration document at the private place of sale. The DVLA should be contacting all motorists concerned automatically now to replace from green to red document update.The problem started at their end they have to give us motorists piece of mind.Do it now before it's to late at our expence. As for ownership just have the wording as that and do away with registered keeper,or is that to simple for them.

We had V5Cs for both cars replaced with red ones long ago. With each came an explanatory leaflet, including the words ".... there is no need to contact us. We will issue a new red V5C for all vehicles by November 2012." What could be simpler than that ? Or perhaps I mean "what went wrong" ?

It is true the vehicle logbook isn't proof of ownership of a vehicle. Ownership depends on who has legal title to the vehicle or anything else for that matter; in other words who was it last paid a "consideration" to the last person or company who had title in order to obtain or transfer that title. The matter of who has title to something can be quite convoluted and if it doesn't involve criminal intentions the police aren't interested; they aren't much interested in anything unless it has a good chance of reaching a conclusion involving brownie points for them... The police have been known to make things up as they go along just so they can exit a dispute quickly, especially where older low value cars are concerned. It wouldn't take rocket science for the manufacturers of vehicles and other high value goods to supply a deed of ownership where all the holders of legal title are recorded throughout the life of whatever it is. It would be equally simple for the government to do the same thing and include the details of the title holder on the vehicle logbook. It would be better still if the vehicle document was in fact a logbook containing all the owners and keepers to date. The old heavy card logbook contained a variety of different handwriting and datestamps from the old Local Vehicle Licencing Offices around the country. It would take an expert forger to duplicate one of those...

Gregory Cookson is correct I have even emailed the DVLA using their Gateway asking how to get the new Red Registration and to date I have had no reply. I have just retaxed the car so lets see what arrives with the Tax Disc that will be redundant later this summer, in my opinion this is a retrograde step as it will make cloning even easier you only need a set on number plates which can be easily obtained without any proof of ownership. Still what can you expect from a Government department?

I would welcome a return to a listing in full of the previous owners. I recently sold a Mercedes with 5 owners; 2 were me and one was my son, but people were put off by this. The garage which bought it were happy to explain the high number of owners using servicing receipts etc. with my address on themgoing back 3 years, but with 18,000 miles now between services on my new Renault Megane, you get even fewer ways of proving ownership and servicing. I think the rogues who clone cars will not worry about the red V5C. They are far too clever.

More cock ups from the DVLA,more to come if the tax disc is abolished,more from the insurance database saying cars are not insured when in fact they are.May as well just drive without bothering without the legalities.

you say its easy to change log books but you dont say how!!

Just purchased a used Nissan from a reputable dealer and the DVLA sent me a blue log book.

Surely the DVLA should send out a new registration document to the registered keeper automatically. Then the keeper could destroy the old one, not really rocket science!!!

Why not have owners photo on record just like on driving licence. Easy and traceable and 100%safe to really know who the owner is.

i have just purchased another and the log book came back blue , so why did dvla not send the red one back to me , i got the car only a few weeks ago

Thats what we are all worried about here in Northern Ireland when they transfer all reg/licence info to GB. Its bad enough trying to sort something out standing at the counter at the moment - goodness knows what it will be like in the future trying to solve a problem on the phone to the mainland??

Changing the colour eh? Stand by for more cock ups, my father has just tried to tax his car with a new reminder with the correct registration after changing his reg' number for a personal one. Only to be told that the number does'nt match his vehicle. Yet the DVLA sent him a letter and new tax disc when he first changed the registration. Numerous phone calls and enquiries have got the same silly answer " he cant use the vehicle while we investigate - coud be 14 days or more!" This is for an 80 year old man who lives out in the sticks, who has a recent hip replacement,(theres no bus service to speak of) These numptys couldn't run a whelk stall!

I have one of the Red V5C and it says 'Caution' in large letters, so any buyer is going to be worried, not at all helpful.